Q-1. What
is the net system efficiency from renewable energy to liquid
WindFuels?
The mid- term system efficiency should
be about 55% (HHV), and higher efficiency will eventually be
possible.
Q-2. How expensive
must oil be for WindFuels to compete?
In some cases only $50/bbl. Read
more.
Q-3. How
does WindFuels solve the grid stability and energy storage
challenges?
The grid stability challenge arises
from changes in grid supply not being able to follow the changes
in grid demand quickly enough. Wind power is often greater
in the middle of the night when demand is minimal. “Clean coal” and
nuclear power plants take many hours to turn down, and with most of the good
sites for pumped hydropower already developed, there is no cost effective method
of storing energy. (See our discussion of compressed air energy storage, CAES.and
our recent ASME paper on Energy Storage.)
WindFuels will only draw power during off-peak
hours when there is excess renewable energy available at very
low cost. Off-peak power rates are often under
15% of peak rates to encourage more use of it. WindFuels can respond within
milliseconds to changes in supply and demand. It will completely
solve the grid stability
problem by temporarily storing the excess peak grid energy in hydrogen and
then converting the hydrogen into liquid fuels (which are
easily stored and distributed) at a
fairly steady rate around the clock. See our Economics page and our discussion
on Stabilizing
the Renewable Grid for more information.
Q-4. Why
is 50-60% efficiency something to get excited about?
First of all, WindFuels will beat any
other renewable fuel in the market place by a wide margin
within 7 years. Secondly, it’s twice as good as any
expert
thought likely just three years ago.
Q-5. How are WindFuels nearly 100%
carbon
neutral?
Absolutely no new fossil carbon is removed from the Earth.
All the carbon comes
from the effluent CO2 from fossil-fueled power
plants. All energy input is from
the cheapest renewable resource – off-peak wind.
Q-6. Well,
the coal’s
CO2 is eventually released into the atmosphere,
so how can WindFuels have a climate benefit?
That CO2 is being created and exhausted
anyway.
Almost no fossil power plants have CO2 sequestration,
so
their CO2 emissions
are a reality. Using
that CO2
to create fuels means the CO2 eventually gets exhausted, but those
fuels would offset the production of deep-water drilling, tar sands, oil shale,
and coal-to-liquids
fuels; all of which are far more carbon intensive and environmentally destructive
than “conventional” oil fuels.
Q-7. Do
you have a working demonstration?
Not yet, but we have some preliminary
experimental data, and more will be coming quickly. We
have developed the necessary innovations and simulated
the plant in great detail using
commercially available chemical
engineering process software; but we are a small company with
a limited R&D budget. The demonstration plant that
is planned will require additional funding.
Q-8. How
do you respond to old-timer “experts” who
say “Major breakthroughs in energy are impossible” ?
Scientific progress and creativity are
hard to predict, but both happen. Who would have predicted commercial
jet travel in the 1940’s, or lasers in
the 1950’s, or cell phones in the 1970’s, or Blackberries in the
1980’s, or PV installed at under $4/W in the 1990’s?
“Necessity is the mother of invention.” The near-term need for WindFuels
wasn’t completely clear until about three years ago.
A number of industries have demonstrated the kind of scale-up needed here. They
have had the same basic common denominators: high profitability, no resource
limitations on raw materials, and sufficient demand or rapidly escalating demand
to accommodate growth.
WindFuels will not require large numbers of highly skilled workers outside of
factory settings – as in nuclear energy. WindFuels will not require large
areas of land and a quintupling of the number of farmers – as in biofuels.
WindFuels will not require complex solid-phase separations – as in algae
oil and cellulosic ethanol. (One of the first rules in scalable chemical engineering
is to avoid solid-phase handling, separations, and processing.)
The RFTS plant is mostly based on the kinds of chemical engineering processes
that scaled up at lightning speed between the late-1930’s and the early-1960’s – and
transformed modern society.
About 70% of the subsystems and components needed (or very closely related components)
are currently in production at the multi-billion-dollar level by multiple, international
companies. And there are fairly close relatives of most of the rest of the components
currently in production at the multi-billion-dollar level.
Scale-up will require large investments, but they will come because there will
soon be no question about the profitability of the WindFuels plants. Scale-up
will also take time, mostly because big investments are seldom made quickly.
However, scale up of the processes used in Windfuels will be much easier than
those in algal oil, cellulosic ethanol, batteries, CSP, hydrogen, PV, geothermal,
superconducting transmission, .... Read
more.
Q-9. What
do you think about cellulosic ethanol?
Trees, shrubs, and grasses sequester
two orders of magnitude more carbon above the ground than is
being released annually by burning fossil fuels, and an
even greater amount is sequestered in soils. When forests are harvested for
cellulosic ethanol, about 20% of the above-ground carbon ends up in the ethanol.
(Much is left to decay rapidly on the forest floor. Most is emitted from the
cellulosic ethanol plant.)
When new land is tilled, much of the carbon that has been sequestered
in the soil for centuries is released over the next few
years. This “carbon debt” can take more than a century for the
biofuels to repay.
Grasslands predominate naturally in regions where rainfall
is inadequate to support forests. “Range Fuels” may be a catchy
name, but any attempt to produce cellulosic ethanol from most range land will
result in a huge release of sequestered carbon and not enough energy to matter.
Q-10. How
can WindFuels compete with tar sands?
Products from heavy oil (such as the tar
sands in Alberta) have 60% to 90%
greater total carbon emissions than conventional oil and a huge environmental
footprint (orders of magnitude greater than that of oil platforms in ANWR).
Processing heavy oil requires an enormous amount of natural gas. Tar sands
and extra heavy oils (from Venezuela) are abundant, but utilizing them will
become very expensive as emissions regulations (to save the planet) become
more stringent. The IEA says we need a $50-$60/bbl tax on heavy oil products
to have any chance of cutting carbon emissions in half by 2050. WindFuels
will be cheaper than heavy-oil products within 5 years.
Read more.
Q-11. Why
does the DOE still not admit to Peak Oil?
Actually, they now do. It’s just some sections of the media that haven’t
gotten with the program.
Q-12. Wouldn’t
it be better to just replace coal power plants with wind?
Perhaps, if (a) there was a cheap
method of storing the energy for when it was needed, (b)
there was an adequate transmission grid, and (c) someone
would
pay for all the wind farms. All of these are show-stoppers beyond a certain
point. We agree: put as much wind into the grid as the market will justify,
and use the excess off-peak wind to make transportation fuels.
(If you’re not
a scientist or engineer, you might want to skip this next
one.)
Q-13. How
would you boil down your major technical breakthroughs
into a few sentences for the general chemical engineer?
To start with, we’ve doubled the
efficiency of producing syngas (the feed mixture of CO
and H2) from H2 and
CO2 by making the RWGS reaction
practical. (This requires, among other things, an order of magnitude advance
in cost-effectiveness of gas-to-gas recuperators.) Secondly, we’ve reduced
both the energy and effluent losses normally seen in recycling of un-reacted
reactants and byproducts in high-pressure FTS processes by an order of magnitude.
(This takes too much space to explain further here.) Thirdly, we’ve nearly
eliminated the big losses normally seen from isenthalpic expansions in the
standard product separations processes. Fourthly, we’ve improved by 50%
the efficiency of conversion of low- and mid-grade waste heat to electrical
power. (Our friends in geothermal and CSP may find this hard to believe, but
it’s real. See the published DORC pending patent.)
Q-14. How
does Doty Windfuels expect to make money?
Here’s our vision in a nutshell.
The world’s appetite for transportation fuels will steadily
grow at a rate greater than can be met by conventional fossil
fuels and alternatives, so the
price of oil will rise steadily until a competitive alternative becomes available.
There is currently no competitive alternative. We will be able to make fuels
from CO2 and H2O at a much lower price than any other sustainable alternative.
These Windfuels will be carbon neutral, so the public will embrace them.
We have a very strong patent and proprietary position, as well as an enormous
head start. We will probably have no serious competition for at least a decade.
We first need to build a small pilot plant. When it starts producing fuels (two
years after funding) we will demonstrate production of more carbon-neutral fuels
in a few weeks than the total cumulative global production of photosynthetic
algal oil and direct solar fuels combined. That comparison will generate enormous
media attention, and investors will be beating a path to our doors.
We will begin producing and selling the modular plants that will make fuels from
CO2 and off-peak wind energy. No one else will be able to do that, so we will
be able to command strong profit margins on these plants.
The payback on the Windfuels plants will be about 2 years. They will sell
for
$5M to $35M each, depending on their size. There will be hundreds of thousands
of wind farm owners all over the world standing in line to buy them, as fast
as we can make them.
We expect be a multi-billion-dollar company 7 years after first funding, and
growth will go on from there. The market for the Windfuels plants we’ll
be making will eventually be trillions of dollars.
Q-15. How
certain are you that your simulations are correct?
The WinSim Design II software has
been well validated in thousands of similar simulations
in the
petrochemical and chemical process industries over the
past
two decades. We’ve collaborated with outside experts in the field during
our entire research and development process.
We waited to release
the information until enough time had passed that we could
be comfortable
with
our patent
positions. So we have released more information in greater detail
than any other alternative energy company we’ve ever seen.
Our designs and calculations are available for any and all members
of the scientific community to assess and critique, and at this
point our designs have been thoroughly scrutinized by thousands
of interested scientists and engineers. No one has yet found
a significant error or oversight. (Some critics – perhaps
with vested interests in other technologies – described
perceived problems, but none of their technical challenges have
proven to be valid.)
Q-16. Chemical
processing plants have a reputation for being dirty. Won’t
the same apply to WindFuels plants?
The inputs to the WindFuels process
don’t contain noxious contaminants
as seen in fossil fuels (especially in heavy oils). For example, the sulfur and
heavy metals contents will be at least 10,000 times lower. That, along with the
numerous process advances, make 100% recycling practical. Emissions will be similar
to those seen at major highway junctions.
Q-17. What
is the current status of your patenting activities?
Three pioneering PCTs are pending, and
others are in progress. Based on Written Opinions
from the International Searching Authority, it now appears
that the probability that all of our pending
patents will
be quite valuable is very high.
Q-18. Have you published
WindFuels papers in peer-reviewed journals?
We’ve
published eight peer-reviewed technical papers in just over a year. Read
more...
Q-19. Why not just stop with
your hydrogen production from off-peak wind energy and use it
in fuel cells?
One of the main reasons hydrogen will not be
used in much of the transport sector is that the density of
energy storage in
hydrogen
is less
than 10% that in jet fuel
or gasoline. (Hydrogen storage tanks must be very large and heavy.)
No informed person today thinks there is any another plausible long-range
alternative
than sustainable,
carbon-neutral,
liquid-hydrocarbon
fuels for air,
rail, ship, and truck transport – nor for a large fraction of private transportation.
After a decade of intensive development, fuel cells are still ten times more
expensive than internal combustion engines. Read more...
Q-20. I’ve heard that Los Alamos Laboratories
has a new process they call “Green Freedom” for making all the
renewable methanol we need to power our cars?
There’s nothing there that’s of real significance
for our current
crisis. They might have a better way of separating CO2 from
the atmosphere (though the details have not yet been released), but they disregard
economic and political realities. The latest research shows that electrical
energy will cost $35/GJ ($100/MWhr) from new nuclear plants that would
be ordered next
year in the
US – or five times as much as off-peak wind energy. If we assume 55%
conversion efficiency and add (very conservatively) about 25% for a few other
cost components,
the “nuclear methanol” from their process will cost $1.40/kg. The
mean price of methanol in 2010 was ~$0.38/kg, and in 2011 it may be around
$0.45/kg. Who would pay three
times as much for “nuclear
methanol” as
for methanol from natural gas or coal? Their “nuclear gasoline” would
cost over $10/gal – and there are still all the political problems associated
with nuclear energy.
How could
Martin and Kubic be so divorced from reality when it comes
to the cost of nuclear
energy? Apparently, they think nuclear energy in the future
will cost little more than it did in the early 1970’s when
the federal government was paying most of the bill for the development,
the fuel, the plant construction, the waste storage, and the
litigation – and when many materials cost only one-tenth
what they will cost within a few years. It is certainly possible
that the cost of nuclear power plants can be brought back down
after a decade of experience rebuilding the industry, but public
support for nuclear is waning.
One of the byproducts from WindFuels will be cheap carbon-neutral methanol,
and the amount produced will be sufficient for all industrial needs.
Q-21. Are there any limitations to the
types of chemicals that can be made from WindFuels?
Not really. Some of the products coming directly from the FTS process will
be ethylene, propylene, and methanol, which today serve as the basic building
blocks
for most chemicals. Of course, some other inputs will sometimes be required
(like nitrogen, salt, etc.), but the point is that fossil fuels are not essential
for
any chemicals.
Q-22. What do you intend to do next at
Doty Windfuels?
Proceed with experiments and demonstrations as expeditiously as possible. We
expect to be producing modular WindFuels plants and selling them to wind farm
owners within five years. Ultimately, we intend to license the WindFuels technology
to all qualified, interested companies at reasonable fees. Read more.
Q-23. Won’t it be extremely costly
and
difficult to build long CO2 pipelines from the coal power plants in
Pennsylvania
and Ohio
to the wind farms in Texas,
the Dakotas, and other high-wind states?
There’s plenty of CO2 produced in the high-wind
states: The most wind-blessed states are the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, and Kansas.
All of these states have
at least 80% of their power derived from coal, and there are lots of bio-ethanol
plants being built there, which release enormous amounts of CO2.
But that is not all the wind that is available in the U.S. There are
also other excellent wind resources throughout America. For instance: the major
industrial regions of Western New York, Western Pennsylvania, Northeast Ohio,
Northwest Indiana,
Northeast Illinois, Eastern Wisconsin, and all of Michigan are all within 200
miles of the extraordinary winds available on the great lakes. This
map from
the DOE shows the projected wind potential at 50m across America.
The amount
of CO2 being released from point sources in the U.S. (coal
power plants, cement factories, ammonia plants, biofuels refineries,
other industrial sources) is sufficient to make twice as much
transportation fuel as we currently consume.
It will not be difficult or costly to transmit electrical power
a few hundred miles from wind farms to the RFTS plants, and
it will not be difficult to lay
CO2 pipelines a few hundred miles long (at least if they don’t
cross more than one state border). The total amount of coal currently consumed
within 350
miles of high-wind areas in the U.S. (and not requiring more than one state border
crossing) is about 400 million tons per year. The coal and gas power plants
in
these
areas
generate
enough CO2 to make nearly half the transportation fuels consumed in
the U.S.
Longer CO2 pipelines and power lines would eventually be needed,
but
work on the CO2 pipeline infrastructure
is already underway for enhanced
oil
recovery– and eventually for sequestration. Over 3500 miles of CO2 pipelines
have already been built, and the CO2 is
currently available from them at over 120 bar, 97% purity, for only $65/ton.
Further purification to the level needed
for the RFTS plant will add under $15/ton. See the pages under Economics for
more information on the CO2 market.
Q-24. How do the water demands for WindFuels
compare to those for biofuels and nuclear?
At least an order of magnitude less. The WindFuels plant design
simulations have assumed dry cooling. It should also be noted that reverse-osmosis
(water purification)
processes have become much cheaper in the past six years, and they’ll get
cheaper yet over the next six years.
Q-25. Most of the world is not blessed with
good wind resources. How realistic will it be for Concentrated
Solar Power (CSP), nuclear, and Geo-thermal
to make renewable liquid fuels using your RFTS process in places like India,
China,
Africa,
and
Iceland?
Glad you asked. CSP and
enhanced geo-thermal still have a long ways to go before it will be practical
for them to compete with wind in a Class-4 (or better) wind site, but progress
is being made. We’ve shown that a 50% improvement in thermal conversion
efficiency will be possible where both good geo-thermal and CSP resources are
available fairly close together – within about 20 miles of each other.
More details on this can be found in our DORC ASME
paper.
There is another possibility, called dry reforming, for making liquid fuels using
CO2, methane, and high-temperature CSP. Our analysis shows it won’t
compete with WindFuels in North America, but it might eventually make sense in
some countries.
Nuclear energy can be used if nuclear power plants can be built at affordable
prices. Energy from new nuclear power plants in the U.S. will be 2-6 times more
expensive than off-peak wind for at least the next decade. Read
more.
Q-26. What do you see as the greatest challenges
in making WindFuels a reality?
The biofuels community may be very reluctant to admit that there is a better
alternative. The “not invented here” attitude at many institutions
may limit their enthusiasm. Most Green Tech research and funding institutions
have already fully committed their resources and focus to what seemed to be the
best alternatives a few years ago. The DOE seems oblivious to the spiraling costs
of nuclear, microalgae, shale oil, cellulosic ethanol, sequestration, coal, and
CTL;
and
some
at
the DOE will have a hard time admitting the “Hydrogen Program” needs
to be re-named the “WindFuels” program.
Most energy scientists and
engineers focus very narrowly on one particular aspect of a particular
resource or alternative. Very few are comfortable doing system-level
analyses of complex chemical plants, and few are willing
to support anything that has not yet been advocated by high-level
officials at the DOE.
There hasn’t been a
new oil refinery built in the US in over 30 years, so there are
very few chemical engineering programs with the expertise needed
in novel, complex plant simulations to provide the kind of support
needed quickly.
Q-27. I’ve
heard that cellulosic ethanol will be under $1.20/gal?
Those estimates are still assuming
the feedstocks will be cheap, and those are
not total costs. (Remember, the DOE was saying in late 2006 that oil would
average $30/bbl in 2011 (now, $110/b seems more likely). Most agricultural
products today are more than twice what they were in 2006.)
Even the advocates saying cellulosic ethanol will be produced
at $1.20/gal are saying that means it will
be $2.50/gal at the pump.
Distribution costs of liquid fuels are normally about 5% of total costs, so
clearly these optimistic estimates are nothing close to what is normally included
in production costs.
When the push for cellulosic
ethanol began in 2002, most cellulosic feedstocks were $25/ton.
Demand for
wood
pellets in heating stoves has increased by an order of magnitude
in the past 8 years, and another order of magnitude increase
is expected in the next decade. Wood pellets are currently about
$180/ton, but after the 500,000 km2 of dead pine forests
in North America (killed by the pine beetle) are consumed in
forest fires
over the next five years, wood pellets are likely to be over $300/ton
There won’t be
enough low-cost cellulosic feedstocks available within 5 years
to supply more than a few dozen ethanol plants, as there will
be a much more lucrative market for most feedstocks. Burning
cellulosic
feedstocks for heat is 2 to 3 times more efficient and an order
of magnitude less expensive than making ethanol from it. You
do the math!
There will be explosive
growth in the demand for wood (both raw logs and pellets) for
home heating and co-firing in power plants over the
next
decade and beyond. These fuels can be transported long distances
to the markets and easily distributed to the consumers. That
is not true for switchgrass unless processed into something
similar to wood pellets. Some low grade straw and hay currently
sells for under $60/ton, but that for which there is a real
market is selling for $70 to $120/ton. Light feedstocks such
as grasses and corn stover will not be viable because of transport
and handling costs. The price of corn tripled as demand for it
from ethanol producers grew, and the same can
be expected for hay and forest wastes if it becomes practical
to make cellulosic ethanol from such materials
If high-grade cellulosic
feedstocks are $300/ton in 2015 and the plant achieves 50%
efficiency (as both Range
Fuels and Coskata expect), the cost of the feedstock alone will
be $3 per gallon of ethanol produced. Plant capital and O&M
costs will add another $1.50/gal.
Some feedstocks may still be under $150/ton in 2015, but not
most – if
there is a cellulosic-ethanol plant nearby.
The best use of biomass is in power co-generation.
Over 40% of its energy gets converted into electricity, and most
of the rest of its energy can be used
in local heating. All the CO2 exhaust could be sent to a WindFuels
plant to be re-used in transportation fuels. The next best use of waste wood
is for
domestic heating with advanced wood stoves. (Published recently in Science,
but posted here a year earlier.)
Cellulosic ethanol has been
much more expensive than corn ethanol for the past decade. It
may at some point be
cheaper for a few years, but it will be more expensive again,
soon after the first dozen cellulosic ethanol plants come
on-stream and consume all the cheap feedstocks.
The DOE and private investors committed $1.2B to build six demonstration
cellulosic plants in 2008. However, it now appears that only
two or perhaps three of them will be built, and the total annual
cellulosic ethanol production from these plants (in late 2011)
is likely to be under 50 Mgal/yr, which would have the energy
content of about 0.02% of our current transportation fuel
usage. Growth in cellulosic ethanol beyond 2011 is extremely
speculative, as delivered feedstock prices will be an order of
magnitude more expensive than what was projected about 8 years
ago.
WindFuels upfront costs
will be less than cellulosic ethanol plants (per value of products
produced), and WindFuels
don’t require expensive
feedstocks or have any troublesome wastes to deal with. Hence,
WindFuels will give a much better return on investment. Read
more.
Q-28. Why
aren’t you optimistic about nuclear
fission, shale
oil, Space-Based
Solar Power, thermonuclear
fusion, hydrogen
fuel cells, algae
oil, dimethyl
ether, high-altitude
wind, atmospheric
vortex engines, and roof-top solar
PV?
Hydrogen.
Take a look at our analyses and track record. We stick
with science, engineering, and economics. As a case in
point, in 2000 the DOE was saying there would be
50,000 fuel cell vehicles on the road in the US by 2006. In 2002 we distributed
one of the first technical analyses showing that hydrogen would never compete
in cars (and 3 years later we were finally able to get it published as a
letter to the editor in C&EN). Perhaps there will be 100 new hydrogen
cars (costing about $500K each) delivered in the US next year – at
tax-payer expense to cities and individuals wanting to make a statement.
Nuclear. Energy from nuclear
power plants that would be ordered next year in the US would
be over
3 to 6 times as expensive as off-peak wind energy.
Shale Oil. Our analysis shows there will
be very few veins from which clean shale oil (i.e., with full
on-site CO2 sequestration) will be
able to compete a decade from now if petroleum is under $150/bbl.
The Bakken formation is not shale oil in the normal sense of
that word. But as far as it’s concerned, the USGS expects
the total amount of oil produced from the Bakken over the next
half century will be little more than the U.S. uses in half a
year. The Bakken could continue to provide 1% of our fuel needs
for the following two centuries. That’s a lot of oil, but
it’s not a solution.
Algal oil. We have not seen any viable
plan that is likely to lead to algae oil being under $60/gal
a decade from now.
PV. It’s
easy to show that roof-top solar PV will generally be much less
competitive than large PV farms, and one of the larger of these
in North America has a contract to sell
its energy
at $0.44/kWhr. That’s about four times the average cost
of electrical energy in the US. PV has a long way to go before
it really competes in America.
Fusion. Our analysis indicates fusion
energy is likely to be 300 times more expensive than wind energy
in 2040.
Space Solar. We do not see any way it would
be possible to implement Space-based Solar Power (SBSP) for less
than 100 times the cost of wind energy, and more likely SBSP
would be over 500 times as expensive as wind energy.
We
do our level best to avoid the hype that has permeated the
field of
renewable energy. We
think our 29 years of experience developing and manufacturing
complex instruments gives us a useful perspective that many researchers
lack. Outside the US and Northern Europe, we’re most optimistic
about wave energy, Geo-CSP hybrids, and
next-generation nuclear fission. Read
more.
Q-29. What
size of a global investment are you talking about to cut global
oil and gas usage by 60% over the next 50 years?
The near-term (2 to 10 years) investment would be quite modest,
as there will be no shortage of off-peak wind energy for the
next decade. However, to replace
60% of global oil and gas with WindFuels over the next 50 years may cost 40
trillion US$, but businesses will embrace it because it will be profitable and
enduring. The IEA has recommended CO2 be
taxed at over $80/ton (or $300/ton-C). That would amount to $2T
per year – and it
(in itself) would not produce any more fuel. That would also amount to a tax
of $30/bbl for conventional oil. For synfuels from heavy oil and coal, the tax
would
be
over $50/bbl and $60/bbl respectively with current processes.
Q-30. How much of your process is commercially
proven, and how much is high risk?
We’ve simulated all the critical processes in WindFuels in great detail
using commercial, well validated software. Fischer-Tropsch Synthesis (FTS) fuel
production (chemically, the most complex part of the WindFuels system) was used
by the Germans during WW-II and in South Africa during the blockade of the Apartheid
regime. Several major breakthroughs and a number of minor improvements have allowed
us to double the RFTS system efficiency over what was seen in related demonstrations
a few years ago. We’ve published and patented many of the critical scientific
and
engineering
details. We don’t think any part of it classifies as “high
risk” from a scientific perspective, though we admit there are managerial,
funding, competitive, technological, and market risks.
Q-31. You’re starting with water electrolysis.
Isn’t that very inefficient and extremely expensive?
Commercially available electrolyzers have achieved 84% efficiency,
and laboratory experiments have exceeded 94% efficiency.
Yes,
they’ve
been expensive, but the DOE projects their price will drop by a factor of six
over the next decade and efficiencies will steadily improve. Read
more.
Q-32. Are
WindFuels better than CO2 sequestration?
WindFuels will be the quickest technology to stop the growth
of coal power plants because of the strong stimulus WindFuels
will provide to the growth of wind energy. The wind energy
during periods of peak demand will go to the grid, and
excess during off-peak periods would go to WindFuels. We
have
already seen that wind energy has stopped the growth
of coal in the U.S. and northern Europe. When WindFuels
come online in any country, the growth of coal in that
country will come to an abrupt end. The price of grid energy
will even drop enough to begin shutting down the less efficient
coal power plants. The wind resources are sufficient to
enable this scenario in North America, China, Russia,
Northern Europe, Northwestern Africa, Australia, Brazil,
and some other countries.
Sequestration, on the other hand, at existing power plants will be very expensive.
It would increase consumer power bills by 60-80% in many cases and
reduce the efficiency and output of coal and natural gas power plants, requiring
more fossil power plants by 30-40% to come online. Recent
peer-reviewed studies have shown that pumping very high pressure CO2 into
most of the types of formations that could hold it for centuries will likely
cause seismic activity.
WindFuels, on the other
hand, will cause no additional burden for consumers, and actually serve to
make current
power sources more competitive, so there will be no public resistance to
their development. Since WindFuels will be market driven, they will grow
as quickly as the industry can scale up, and any support from government
will be embraced by the power industry and consumers.
Because WindFuels will be
market driven, it can quickly cut the use of ultra-high-carbon
options, such as coal-to-liquids, tar sands, and shale oil – which,
without WindFuels, would be supplying a large fraction of our
transportation fuels within 20 years.
WindFuels could eventually
utilize CO2 from the atmosphere rather
than from power plants, but it may be three decades before taking
CO2 from
the atmosphere is affordable. (We return to this issue in more
detail in question 41.)
We agree that CO2 separation
should be required on all new power plants, whether coal, natural
gas, or biomass; and retrofitting should be implemented on some
existing power plants. The CO2 should
be either sold to WindFuels plants or sequestered. CO2 separation
processes will now be justified on many existing coal plants
within 400 miles of WindFuels plants because there may
be a good market for their CO2. Also,
new fossil-fueled power plants within 400 miles of WindFuels
plants will want to
buy the waste O2 from the WindFuels
plants for oxy-combustion to simplify their CO2 separations.
The fastest growing source
of CO2 emissions in the U.S., Brazil,
and some other countries is from bio-ethanol production. The
amount (mass) of CO2 released
at the process plant making ethanol from corn is similar to the
amount of ethanol produced. The amount of CO2 released
when making cellulosic ethanol is more than twice the amount
of ethanol produced.
Separation of this CO2 from the exhaust
streams is much easier than in existing power plants, and the
penalty in plant efficiency
is much less. Hence, CO2 separations
should begin with bio-ethanol plants and new fossil-fuel power
plants. The current global CO2 release
from bio-ethanol plants is about 60 million metric tons per year
and growing rapidly. Emissions from bio-ethanol will
likely be more than will be practical to sequester and utilize
in WindFuels for at least the next 15 years.
The $100M spent by the coal
lobby over the past few year has convinced many consumers that “clean
coal” is a reality. The fact is, the total amount of CO2 sequestered
from coal plants in the US by 2012 is likely to be less than
0.03% of the amount of CO2 they’ll
release.
The DOE has recently announced
funding for three big carbon capture projects that are expected
to be operating by 2012. The total cost of these projects will
be $1B, with over 60% coming from the DOE. These projects are
expected to be capturing CO2 at a combined rate of
about 6.5 Mt/yr by 2013. The projects selected for funding were
low-hanging
fruit – an ethanol plant, a methanol plant, and a steam-methane
reformer – no power plants. The captured CO2 will
be used for enhanced oil recovery (EOR) – which means it
is not being sequestered – its half-life in the ground
is only 15 years. The CapEx for this capture is not very high – only
about $10/t-CO2. The operating cost is under $25/t-CO2.
For comparison, the CapEx for real CO2 sequestration
projects using CO2 from
power plants and pumping the CO2 into formations that
will hold it for centuries is about $30/t-CO2, and
their operating cost
is about $40/t-CO2. At $70/t-CO2, sequestering
the emissions from point sources would represent an enormous
economic
burden – about
$300B dollars per year in the U.S.
WindFuels can provide the market needed
to make CO2 separation happen quickly,
and WindFuels can stop the growth of tar sands. This would
dramatically reduce CO2 emissions.
All sequestration ideas make the energy challenge worse, while
WindFuels will address both the energy and the climate
challenges. Oil and gas account for over
60% of the global fossil CO2 emissions.
Replacing petroleum and natural gas with WindFuelsTM reduces
greenhouse gases more than eliminating coal. Neither will
happen quickly,
but
we have to think long range. Read
more.
Q-33. I’ve
taken a close look at your cost estimates for WindFuels,
and they look low?
Can you explain this discrepancy?
We’re glad you’re checking
us. Yes, at first glance it might look like our estimates of
the
cost of wind energy are too low. First of all, keep in mind
that for the next 12 years or more there will be an abundance
of very cheap off-peak grid power in areas where a lot of wind
farms are being built. WindFuels will be providing a market for
this off-peak energy and thus providing a strong stimulus to
the wind energy market. See our Economics
page and our discussion
on Stabilizing
the Renewable Grid and the paper we presented on Deployment
Projections at the ASME ES2010 conference.
We
have a number of innovations in the early stages of the patenting
process that will dramatically reduce the costs
of the major components of the RFTS plant.
Some additional detailed information may be found in RFTS-DetailedDesign-1,
for more information and the more details can be found in the papers presented
at the last two ASME conferences.
Q-34. Will
WindFuels compete with Coal-to-Liquids (CTL)?
Yes. Synfuels from Coal-to-Liquids (CTL)
currently have twice the carbon emissions of conventional oil. Typically,
one kilogram of coal will yield about 0.3 kg of diesel and 2.2 kg of additional
CO2, which is released at the synfuels plant. Sasol (the biggest
name in CTL) is the largest point source of CO2 emissions in the
world.
The latest published
estimates we’ve seen
indicate oil needs to be above $100/bbl for CTL with partial
on-site sequestration (perhaps 65%) to compete. Those estimates
are still dated and hence extremely optimistic. We expect oil
will need to be above $170/bbl for CTL with full sequestration
to compete a decade from now. Any estimate of energy-related
costs published before the BP oil-rig disaster on April 20, 2010
is probably of very little value. Judging from the recent volatility
in
commodities
markets,
it
may be another year before it will be possible to make
many energy cost projections with accuracy better than 25%. Read
more.
Q-35. T. Boone Pickens wants
to replace our natural gas electric power with wind power and
convert our cars to run on compressed
natural gas (CNG). Could that work?
You aren’t going to convince the
companies that own the natural gas (NG) power plants to power
down their plants prematurely unless the price of NG triples.
Even with the increased availability of shale gas, we would see the price of
gas in the U.S. increase quickly if we tried to use it for more
than a very small segment of transportation (such as airport
buses). Until WindFuels plants begin to come online, the growth
rate of utilization of
wind
in the grid will
be limited by transmission and storage costs.
There are a number of additional factors that are discussed in more detail elsewhere
(CNG Vehicles) and are summarized here.
1. There
won’t be much
fuel-cost savings for CNG vehicles 8 yearsfrom now.
(The rapidly growing
international trade in liquefied natural gas, LNG,
will entice US producers to begin exporting LNG to this lucrative market. This
will drive the price of NG up.)
2. Upgrading existing gasoline service stations to be able to re-fuel CNG vehicles
would cost about $400K per station. Few station owners will do this just to service
a few CNG vehicles in their area.
3. CNG vehicles have lower performance, less driving range,
and less trunk space,than liquid-fueled vehicles, so consumers will be reluctant
to buy them. (Of course, CNG vehicles would be much more attractive to most
consumers than electric vehicles or hydrogen-fueled vehicles.)
CNG has made small inroads into
fleets of trucks and buses in the U.S, where their ranges stay
close to central
re-fueling
stations. Encouraging more usage here makes sense. However,
converting all our long-haul trucks to CNG would increase our
use of NG by 25%, which would require an unrealistic increase
in domestic production.
US NG resources are nothing close to limitless, as the advocates
would have us to believe. The latest official estimates indicate
that if we could recover all possible and probable gas resources
(most of which will be quite expensive), they would be sufficient
to supply all our energy demands for about 18 years – and
nothing beyond that. Another useful number is that total U.S.
resources are less than 4% of global gas resources.
WindFuels, on the other hand, by offering improved profitability for wind energy
in areas far from where grid power is needed, will enable massive growth in
wind for decades. But wind will not shut down existing natural-gas power plants
in a free market for many years.
The amount of energy potentially available from domestic wind resources over
the next century exceeds that from natural gas by a factor of 50, and wind
is 20 times cleaner!
Case closed.
Q-36. What
about electric vehicles (EVs), or plug-in
hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs)?
Pure electric vehicles will never be
the first choice for most consumers as a primary vehicle due
to their range restrictions. With pure
EV,
traffic
jams and unexpected errands
will result in more cars running out of power. A 40-mile range is not
acceptable for most drivers. (Remember, you simply can’t stop in somewhere
for a quick recharge.)
The Volt will be a small compact car with substandard performance,
costing over $40,000. Whether the reduced operating costs can
ever actually recover the up-front cost is questionable, especially once you
factor
in additional interest on the more expensive car. A recent study
by Carnegie Mellon has concluded that the Chevy Volt will never be viable under
any conceivable scenario.
The cost savings per mile are much less than the EV advocates claim, as they
still often assume an electricity cost of $0.04/kWhr when the current average
residential rate is $0.12/kWh (equivalent to gasoline at $4.36/gal).
A reasonable estimate is that charging costs for the Volt would be similar
to fuel costs
for the Prius if gasoline were $2.70/gal. If you drive the Volt 8500 miles
per year (and you won’t be able to drive it much more than that without
being left stranded), and gasoline is $4.70/gal, your annual savings is $400.
At $40,000, the Volt will cost ~$24,000 dollars more than the Honda Fit, though
the Fit has much more passenger space and over twice the luggage
space. The $500/yr fuel savings doesn’t even pay
the extra interest, not to mention principle. Of course, if
gasoline goes to $12/gal in 2016, the Volt might save you $2500/year. Then,
it might pay for itself in 15 years.
Hype sells when economics doesn’t, so there will be a few sales. The
first run is only going to be 20,000-40,000 vehicles. Only a few hundred were
sold in the first quarter of 2011. Scale up will certainly be much slower than
for the Prius, as fuel savings with the
Prius pay for the extra upfront costs in 3 to 4 years.
To give some perspective on the timelines of vehicle release and scale-up,
the Toyota Prius was released in 2002, and sold its 1 millionth car in April
2008. Even now only ~3% of the new vehicles sold are hybrids, and less than
0.5% of the vehicles on the road are hybrids. Due to the cost and other negatives,
EVs and PHEVs will not see rapid market penetration.
In 2016, even with gasoline at $6-$10/gallon, it is highly unlikely
that EVs and PHEVs combined will exceed more than 0.5% of the
U.S. fleet.
John Peterson has some of the best expertise and
insights into the battery and EV markets. We highly recommend
his articles, where are available here:
http://seekingalpha.com/author/john-petersen/articles
Q-37. How likely do you think it is that
there will be a better alternative than WindFuels for transportation in the
next four decades?
On a scale of 0 to 10, about 0 in the US. In countries
where neither good wind nor wave resources are available, the best option
may be dry
reforming – if
both methane and excellent solar resources are available. This is a process
in which high-temperature concentrated solar power (above 1100 K) can be used
to
make liquid fuels from a combination of methane and CO2. There are
lots of challenges
with this process, and we don’t see it being competitive unless oil is
above $200/bbl for many years. Moreover, the carbon in the fuels it produces
will probably be only about 40% from the CO2. The rest will
be
from the fossil
methane.
Q-38. If
wind energy is so much cheaper than solar energy, why has
solar received
more attention (from investors, the media, and the DOE)
than wind?
Wind has been at a strong disadvantage
with respect to solar because solar can often work well
without energy storage. (The peak electrical power demand
is
at the same time the sun is shining strongly.) There hasn’t been a good
energy storage solution until now – WindFuels. Also, the best wind resources
are not close to where most electrical power is needed. (People would rather
live in a sunny area than a very windy area.) Read
more.
Q-39. What do you think about cold fusion,
Blacklight Power, water fuel, NuEnergy.org, radiant energy conversion, Genesys
LLC, Cosray Research Institute, radio-frequency dissociation of water... ?
Sorry. We’re serious scientists and engineers. While we can’t
really say with 100% certainty that the first two concepts listed above (and
possibly
some other equally crazy sounding ideas) will never have any validity, we can
say that ideas that are completely outside currently accepted science have zero
chance of helping to solve our energy needs in the next six decades.
We’ll devote a little more space here to a recurrent theme in many hydrogen
scams, including several of the above – that it is somehow possible to
magically tune an electromagnetic (EM) radiation spectrum to achieve water splitting
using much less energy than required by normal water electrolysis. First of all,
it is true that water has a number of strong absorption bands in various parts
of the EM spectrum. The first (lowest frequency) strong absorption band is at
~190 GHz (~1.6 mm wavelength), and there are numerous additional absorption bands
at shorter wavelengths (e.g., 0.9 mm, etc). So, if it were possible to efficiently
convert EM radiation from a thermal source (where the photons have mean wavelength
of about 9 microns, corresponding to mean photon energy 180 times greater than
of a photon at 190 GHz) to another desired frequency, it might be possible to
device a method of splitting water using thermal radiation. But there are several
show stoppers.
First of all, efficient down (frequency) conversion is not possible – in
any part of the EM spectrum. Efficient up-frequency conversion can occur at the
atomic or molecular level (simultaneous absorption of multiple photons), but
that’s the wrong direction. (Extremely expensive devices, such as gyrotrons,
which require superconducting magnets, are available for producing EM radiation
at 190 GHz, but efficiencies are below 30%.) Secondly, efficiently splitting
water into H2 and O2 would accomplish nothing if it also resulted in raising
the temperature above hydrogen’s autoignition temperature (~250C), as the
gases would promptly recombine into water – explosively. Thirdly, any device
that could split water into separate hydrogen and oxygen streams much more efficiently
than hot alkaline electrolyzers would be violating the laws of thermodynamics,
as hot alkaline electrolyzers are currently coming within 8-15% of theoretical
limits at their operating temperatures.
The Genesys patent is pure garbage. It proposes to heat water vapor to a very
high temperature using microwave energy, separate the hydrogen ions from the
plasma, and cool the hydrogen ions to produce hydrogen gas. Perhaps something
similar could actually be done (after enormous development), but it would probably
achieve efficiency below 0.1% and cost orders of magnitude more than conventional
electrolysis.
In principle, it is possible to reduce the electrical input energy required for
electrolysis to nearly zero by operating the electrolyzer at about 1300 C, in
which case the input energy is provided almost entirely by heat. At proportionally
lower temperatures, an increasing fraction of the energy must come from electricity
and a decreasing fraction from heat. The DOE has been supporting high-temperature
steam electrolysis, at temperatures in the range from 500-1000 C using ceramic
electrolytes, for about three decades. The best of these results are still two
orders of magnitude away from being economically competitive with hot alkaline
electrolysis.
Q-40. What
about the claims by the company Carbon Sciences that they
have a breakthrough process for making fuels from CO2 and
mine slime (whatever that is)?
Carbon Sciences keeps changing
and embellishing their stories. First, they were going
to make valuable commodities from mine scum. This is essentially in the same category as the scams mentioned
in the previous question. The slight difference is that
there probably will be some opportunities
to make a few low-value products from some mine trailings, and some of these
processes may utilize some waste CO2.
However, no one will ever make fuels from materials in a low-energy state (such
as CO2,
H2O, CaCO3...)
without an
enormous
amount of energy input.
Lime (CaO) does not exist freely in naturein significant quantities. It is usually
made by heating limestone
(calcium carbonate, CaCO3)
to drive off the CO2.
(Some
silicates contain a few percent CaO and MgO. See our response to question 53,
on other sequestration ideas.) As
soon as CaO is cooled, it begins re-absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere.
It also
reacts
with water to form the hydride,
Ca(OH)2. These were some
of the first chemical reactions discovered by prehistoric man, and they are
the basis of most plasters, mortars, and cements.
Mining often dredges up enormous
amounts of magnesium silicates, which can react with CO2– over
hundreds of millennia – to produce carbonates; but they
would be of no value. See question 53 for more comments on
this reaction with respect to CO2 sequestration.
When reading the Carbon Sciences website, one has the impression
that this is a scam. The Popular
Mechanics article
suggests they
may
be
planning
to
send
some CO2 into an algae pond, which has nothing to do with magically
turning CaCO3 into
fuels. Algae is just another idea that has proven to be impractical, as we
explain here.
Their latest claim is that they have developed a miraculous new catalyst
that will turn CH4 and CO2 into gasoline via the following highly endothermic
reaction:
12CH4 + 12CO2 –> 3C8H16 +
24H2O
One can calculate (from Gibbs energies) that the equilibrium constant
KP
for the above reaction at all temperatures and pressures is extremely low. At
50 bar, octane yield peaks at under 0.3% at 490 K – assuming an ideal catalyst.
Of course, CO2 reforming of methane into syngas may eventually be practical using
high-temperature concentrated solar heat, but our analysis shows it will be an
order of magnitude less competitive than Windfuels in most cases.
Q-41. Why
not just take CO2 from
the atmosphere and sequester the carbon from power and
biofuel plants?
Because it would cost too much. All the promise of true
carbon neutrality does nothing if the process is too expensive
to deploy.
Presently, the technology to remove CO2 directly
from the atmosphere is in its infancy. Our analysis indicates using CO2 from
the atmosphere would increase
the cost of WindFuels by 40%.
WindFuels could eventually utilize CO2 from
the atmosphere rather than from power plants, but it may be four decades before
CO2 from the atmosphere
competes with CO2 from smokestacks. In the meantime, WindFuels can cut the
use of synfuels
and eventually help reduce the rise in the price of oil. This helps the economy
while doing more for the environment because it would be implemented much faster.
Q-42. Why
focus on ethanol? Isn’t it less desirable than some
other fuels?
We initally focused on ethanol, propanol and butanol because
they are the least toxic fuels known and our simulations
showed they could ultimately
be made from waste CO2 at
higher efficiency than other fuels. Also, next-generation small engines optimized
for mixtures of gasoline, ethanol, and methanol will be able to achieve
higher efficiency, lower noise, and much lower emissions than diesel engines.
(See, for example, recent works by RJ Pearson, of Lotus Engineering.) The
mid-alcohols are fully compatible as oxygenates and extenders in all current
gasoline engines. Contrary to what ethanol detractors
say, it is not difficult to store, distribute, or dispense ethanol, and it
is not bad for modern engines.
At this
point in time, we expect our first demo will be for gasoline
deisel, and jet fuel production,
as the catalysts for such are better developed. We’ll
eventually be able to make virtually all fuels and chemicals
efficiently from waste CO2 and
wind energy, including diesel, alcohols, lubricants,
other automotive fluids, plastics, and fertilizers.
Q-43. Can
WindFuels help solve the global food crisis?
Yes. Demand for use of food for fuels will be reduced,
and some WindFuels plants
will make renewable fertilizers. Read
more.
Q-44. Do
we need to eliminate our use of fossil fuels?
No. The planet can easily handle some
responsible use of fossil fuels for many centuries. It’s
not yet clear whether the long-term goal for global CO2 emissions
should be under 4 GtC/yr or under 2 GtC/yr. However, business-as-usual could
lead to 10 GtC/yr within 20 years, and there is no doubt that would be devastating.
Q-45. Do
we risk running critically low on any fertilizer component
(phosphates, ammonia, potassium, sulfur, etc.) when we
cut our use of fossil fuels by a factor of three?
Not in the next few centuries, though phosphate fertilizers
may become fairly expensive within six decades.
Q-46. Where
can I find more technical information on your RWGS RFTS
WindFuels process?
We have a WindFuels
Primer, a slightly
more detailed explanation, a technical-breakthrough-summary,
and for those that are interested in a very detailed design summary, the RFTS-DetailedDesign-1 can
be purchased in hard-copy. Eight peer-reviewed technical papers and three pending
patents are
currently
available for download. Download Papers. Download
Patents.
Q-47. What
are the unique benefits of WindFuels for the United States?
America has abundant wind energy resources – far
beyond what we can use for electricity. America is also
emitting a lot of CO2 from
coal power plants – which can be recycled into fuels to reduce our dependence
on foreign oil and our total CO2 emissions.
America can go from importing petroleum to exporting carbon-neutral fuels and
chemicals within 35 years. WindFuels can be the basis for the biggest economic
expansion in the US since the post WW-II boom.
Q-48 What
about hybrid engines, ultra-light materials, smaller cars?
Won’t these do more than new fuels?
They’ll help, but they won’t do as much as truly
carbon-neutral liquid fuels. One study (John M. Polimeni) has even concluded
that just improving mileage would increase CO2 emissions because
usage would go up faster. While usage may not increase that quickly, the point
is still important. If people can afford to drive more, they will. Only increased
fuel prices, carbon neutrality in the fuels, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles
(PHEVs) will reduce the CO2 emissions from cars. See question
36 for some more comments on PEHVs.
Q-49. The grid is interconnected,
and there are always coal plants producing power, so how can
it make sense to use grid energy to make liquid fuels, even if
the conversion efficiency is 60%?
We partially answered this question in some of the earlier responses (see questions
6 and 32).
A. When WindFuels come online
in any area, they will stimulate rapid build up of wind energy,
and the growth of coal in
that region will come to an abrupt
end. The price of grid energy will even drop enough to begin shutting down
the less efficient coal power plants.
B. WindFuels will only draw power during extreme off-peak hours when most
of the energy on the regional grid is coming from wind, nuclear, and hydro,
so it
will be very clean.
C. Windfuels will stop the growth of the high-carbon fuels, like tar sands,
coal-to-liquids, deep-water, and very heavy oils.
Q-50. Why are you so
pessimistic about biofuels?
The best recent scientific studies have concluded that most biofuels
(including corn ethanol, some Brazilian sugarcane, and most
biodiesels) are overall worse
for the planet than using conventional oil. Run-off from agriculture is
creating many dead zones in oceans around the world. Biofuels are
currently only 25% carbon neutral on average, and that’s
not counting carbon emissions from changes in land use. When
carbon emissions
from the land cultivation are included, most biofuels are only 5-15% carbon
neutral.
Cellulosic ethanol will not be much better. It will likely result in much
of the biocarbon that is currently sequestered in soils and forest floors
being
released much more rapidly. If all gasoline used were E15 based
on cellulosic ethanol (and 100% E15 is probably more than the planet
could support), CO2 emissions from transportation fuels would
be reduced less than 5%. (Cellulosic ethanol advocates may disagree,
but they haven’t
been properly considering its effect on reduced carbon sequestration
in soils.)
WindFuels, on the other hand, can be 90% carbon neutral.
We can’t
reduce CO2 emissions nearly enough without having transportation
fuels that are over 70% carbon neutral, and WindFuels are our only, scalable
option.
Q-51. I’ve heard there’s
lots more oil to be found. Shouldn’t we just start drilling
for it?
That seemed to be the popular opinion before April 20, 2010.
The BP oil-ring disaster has changed everything.
All previous projections assumed deep-water oil would be providing
much of the growth in oil production. While some new deep-water
projects that are at advanced
stages will undoubtedly go forward again, it’s now hard to imagine any
new deep-water projects getting approval by corporate boards (forget governments
and regulators) – at least before oil has been over $150/bbl for several
years.
There’s a little more of conventional oil (the stuff we’re
used to) yet to be developed and discovered in America. The
US Geological Survey estimates (which are double the estimates
of
six years ago) are
that even with full-out off-shore drilling we would have enough recoverable
domestic oil (60B bbl) to supply all our oil needs (without imports)
for
only 9 years, and two-thirds of that will be very expensive
and take many decades to recover. (read, deep-water and
the Bakken formation). We have a more in-depth discussion here.
It is “penny-wise
but pound-foolish” to consider draining our very limited conventional
(easy) resources over the next 10 years. Our great-grandchildren may
need them for a true emergency far more than we need them today. We simply
must get
accustomed to $6 to $12/gal gasoline for most of the next two decades.
If we have reduced our CO2 emissions sufficiently 30 years from now (from WindFuels),
some remaining conventional off-shore oil could then be tapped for a true emergency
without much concern about its effect on the climate.
Q-52. Where do you see the
price of oil going over the next few years and beyond?
The
best, recent analysis is the Nov 2010 update from the Industry
Task Force on Peak Oil
and Security (ITPOES, commissioned in part by Sir Richard Branson
http://peakoiltaskforce.net/ ). Their conclusion: By late 2013,
we’ll see a more severe supply-demand crunch than we saw
in early 2008, which drove prices above $140/b – until
the world economy crashed.
What about beyond 2015, the
limit of the study by ITPOES? The only currently pursued alternative
that have a chance of making
a large contribution to increasing
fuel supply over the
next two decades is tar sands. Environmental
regulations, taxes, and scale-up challenges will probably limit growth of Canadian
tar sands to about 4M bbl/day by 2025. Production from Chinese-Venezuelan tar
sands could increase from the 2010 level of 0.3 Mb/day to 1 Mb/day by 2015,
and possibly 5 Mb/day by 2025. China will eventually own Venezuela and will
be the world’s largest oil producer. (There could be more Chinese speaking
than Spanish speaking people in Venezuela by 2025.) This will help keep oil
prices below $200/b after 2025, though it would be bad news for the climate.
Still, even Chinese-Venezuelan tar sands developments will not keep up with rising
world demand, and oil could hit $400/bbl before 2020 if major investments are
not made soon in WindFuels.
Q-53. What
do you think about other ideas for sequestering CO2 – like
spreading crushed silicate rocks over the desert, or making
cement from
natural
dolime?
A number of other sequestration ideas have been advocated, but none seems
likely to be cost effective. One that has received far more attention than it
deserves is grinding certain igneous rocks into fine sand and dusting them over
hundreds of thousands of square miles of the deserts. Many abundant magnesium
silicates, such as olivines and serpentines, are in a higher energy state than
their carbonates and thus they will naturally (but extremely slowly) react with
CO2 to form the solid carbonates. We calculated that it would take
several hundred
thousand years to see any benefit – see geo-engineering.
Naturally, there would be adverse environmental effects, both at the enormous
rock quarries and
in the deserts, as most of these magnesium silicates poison soils from their
high chromium and nickel contents.
A variation on the above theme that avoids spreading the dust over deserts and
speeds up the reaction from hundreds of thousands of years to days is pulverizing
the sand to an extremely fine powder (micron sized) and reacting it in carbonic
acid at over 150oC and pressures above 100 bar. This would prevent
poisoning
of the deserts, but it would be much more expensive than other sequestration
options.
Another idea that has received far too much attention is finding a miracle
method of separating dolime (an admixture of CaO and MgO) from igneous rocks
(where
it is often present in small amounts, see question 40) and using that to make
Portland-like cement. No one yet has a clue as to how to improve on the current
process (firing carbonates, such as limestone, or calcite) to get the CaO needed
to make cement.
The ideas proposed by Constantz, CEO of Calera Corporation, for making cement
actually increase total CO2 release. We had planned to write a detailed
scientific analysis on the Constantz-Calera cement scam, but that is probably
no longer
necessary. Ken Caldiera has begun to expose it, and others are also beginning
to speak up: http://cleantech.com/news/4327/you-say-caldera-i-say-caldiera
For more discussion of these and other supposedly CO2-sucking processes, see
geo-engineering.
Q-54. What
motivated you the most to begin development of WindFuels:
an attempt to provide
a fuel source, or an attempt to reduce global carbon emissions?
I’ve been active in both energy and environmental science and engineering
for nearly 4 decades. For about 2 decades, I’ve been deeply concerned by
what I saw as an absence of real scientific leadership toward practical solutions
of either mega-challenge. I haven’t looked at either issue independently,
and I’ve always kept practicality and competitiveness uppermost in my thinking.
I was never a fan of carbon sequestration or hydrogen, because neither went to
the root of the problem – the need for clean, renewable energy. For a while,
I thought cellulosic ethanol and microalgae had a lot of promise – until
I looked at the details of the science and engineering for myself (instead of
accepting what others, who were not doing the needed calculations, were saying).
I realized that we at Doty had a unique combination of skills that needed to
be focused on looking for real solutions outside the boundaries of existing
DOE programs. (This is difficult for most researchers to do because the DOE
doesn’t
fund unsolicited proposals. They always specify exactly what they want to fund.)
So in early 2007, we decided to make the needed commitment. The
solutions didn’t come in a single flash, but most of the key pieces were
largely worked out (from a large number of flashes) over the first year. (One
of the major flashes of inspiration came when I saw the most spectacular
meteorite I’d even seen, while driving home from a Christmas eve service
in 2007. No relationship between the insight and the event. Just an interesting
coincidence.)
So the answer is "yes". :) We were looking for a way to produce carbon-neutral
fuels and a way to reduce greenhouse emissions that wouldn't hurt the world economy.
Q-55. How
can I get involved and help make WindFuels a reality sooner?
Contact your congressman. Contact a
DOE program manager or a GreenTech investment fund manager that you know. Tell
them to check out our website.
Q-56. What is the best single, comprehensive
introduction to the science of sustainable
energy?
The recent book by David MacKay, “Sustainable Energy – without the
hot air”. It’s available for free download here:
http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html
Of
course, it has limitations. Most notably, MacKay didn’t
know about WindFuels, and the book is somewhat focused on what
he thinks will work best for the UK.
There are a few other minor problems, especially when it comes to some of
the economics, but overall, it’s sound, accessible, and
comprehensive.
Q-57. Why
are you still worried about global warming when the best
data show there hasn’t been much for the past decade?
Indeed, a recent article in Science (Oct 2, 2009) concludes there wasn't
much global atmospheric warming over the past decade. Also, Prof. David Rutledge
(CalTech) has made a very convincing case that only the surface temperature
records over the oceans can be trusted, as most of the land temperature records
have been heavily distorted by warming from increased urban energy utilization
(fossil and nuclear). His analysis, with the unreliable data excluded, shows
global warming over the last four decades to be considerably less than the
widely accepted value.
Most of the excess heat absorbed by the
CO2 has been going into deeper waters in the oceans because
of changes in ocean currents. The decrease in solar output has also been
significant.
There’s no question about
the long term threat of global warming if we don’t switch to sustainable,
carbon-neutral transportation fuels. There will also be tragic, short-term
consequences, such as polar bears going the way of the mammoth.
Q-58. Is there any substance to the recent claim by EEStor that
they have made a major breakthrough in ultra-capacitors that
makes them far superior to any of the most advanced batteries?
NO. The patents they keep talking about
(7,033,406, and 7,466,536) are mostly hypothetical. What they
describe there, with numerous irrelevant calculations,
is not an ultra-capacitor. It’s a conventional multi-layer ceramic
(MLC) barium titanate capacitor with a different method of making the ceramic
dielectric.
The best MLC capacitors have had energy density of 0.007 Whr/kg; the best
electrolytic capacitors are about 0.3 Whr/kg; ultra-capacitors can exceed
10 Whr/kg; carbon-lead-acid
batteries are 70 Whr/kg; and lithium-ion batteries can be 150 Whr/kg.
Have they improved on the multi-layer, high-voltage, Y5V-type
ceramic capacitor? Perhaps. Barium titanate has been
used for many decades, but their multi-layer
coating and polarization process of the fine powder prior to sintering will
improve voltage handling by more than it reduces dielectric constant. We’ve
gone through some detailed analysis that suggests
it’s likely they’ll be able to achieve about 0.1 Whr/kg with
a semi-acceptable lifetime. (We at Doty Scientific have many years of experience
in high performance dielectrics.) That still leaves a factor of 1000 to go
when it comes to energy density, and we expect the cost of their capacitors
per unit energy will be 1000 times that of carbon-lead-acid batteries (which
are about $300/kWhr).
But on the subject of ultra-capacitors, it is not surprising that few people
understand them. The Wikipedia article is completely confused. Their explanation
is more or less the same as found at most other sites (including NREL’s),
but that doesn’t make it right. The two porous nano-structured electrodes
are not separated by a dielectric. If they were, you would simply have a
conventional capacitor of very small value in series with two ultra-capacitors,
which would
be worthless. They are separated by a porous separator soaked in the organic
electrolyte, which gives it very high bulk conductivity. Hence, it is not
a dielectric. It is a physical separator that is a bulk ionic conductor but
presents
very high contact resistance between the carbon electrodes. The effective dielectric
thickness at the surfaces of the electrodes is about 1 nm, and it handles
about 2.5 V. Read More.
A simple, correct explanation of the ultra-capacitor is here:
http://www.mpoweruk.com/supercaps.htm
(Pardon the rant, but there’s a lot of confusion out
there about ultra-capacitors.)
Q-59. How can
you be so sure the price of oil won’t
crash again, as it did in 2008?
None of the conditions that allowed the price of oil to crash in 2008 are present
in the world today. The major oil producers now understand this market is extremely
inelastic, and they have the discipline to limit production when necessary. The
Saudis are not investing $200-300B over the next 5 years in oil, gas, and chemicals
production so they can drive the prices down. Rather, they are positioning themselves
to take full advantage of their limited resources over the next 60 years.
Total oil production can continue to increase slowly because of increases in
the “non-conventional oil” – deep water oil, tar sands, GTL,
biofuels, etc. But these very expensive, high-emissions alternative sources cannot
keep pace with the growing demand. The 3 billion people in China, India, Indonesia,
Brazil, and other developing countries without cars can now (or will soon be
able to) buy gasoline-powered cars for $3500. That is a game changer from the
demand side. We have some more perspective on the long-range oil market here.
Q-60. How can you be so dismissive
of the enormous recent increase in gas reserves estimates by
the IEA?
We certainly do not have better data than the IEA, and it is clear from their
data and the MITEI study that there will be quite a bit more gas available
at affordable prices for the next 25 years than was expected a few years ago.
However, demand for gas – especially in China and Iran – is also
growing much more rapidly than was expected a few years ago. Moreover, most
of the shale gas has very high CO2 content (often over 25%, and
pipeline specs generally limit the CO2 to under 3%). If carbon emissions
regulations become
stringent, it will be necessary to sequester this CO2 (or make Windfuels
from it) rather than simply separate and vent it. This requirement will severely
limit utilization of most shale gas resources. A recent study (published 4/11)
concludes that because of the extra methane release during production of shale
gas, the GHG footprint benefit of shale gas compared to coal will be marginal
without new regulations or incentives. We have some more perspective on the
long-range gas market here.
Average energy prices – coal, oil, gas, and uranium – nearly doubled
from Nov 2009 to Apr 2011, even though global economic growth was still below
normal. As long as all energy prices are going up much faster than general
inflation there can be little doubt that there will be a strong demand for
Windfuels, and they will be extremely profitable.